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by aramis In Re: GM Question #164: If you were to participate in the Share a Game initiative with a game you GM, which would you pick and why?dysjunct wrote:What would make basic DnD interesting to me...

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by cosine I don't see Basic in such tactical wargames terms. And neither would, I think, anyone familiar with the grid-based descendants.Instead, the core reason I see for playing Basic today is...

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by StormKnight It seems like most of these answers fall in the category of "there aren't any rules, so you can make up stuff that..."

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by SJBenoist I think it is more; "There are only simple rules for the important stuff".This means you get down to playing quickly with a minimum of cognitive rule distraction, and you can focus more...

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by StormKnight I think it is more; "There are only simple rules for the important stuff".Basic D&D had rules for whacking monsters with a stick/sword, randomly placing monsters, randomly deciding...

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by belirahc Basic D&D reduced a lot of overhead for the GM. Basic was dungeon crawling at its finest. You meet in an inn, find out where the newest big bad was operating from, and then you took...

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by SJBenoist StormKnight wrote:Basic D&D had rules for whacking monsters with a stick/sword, randomly placing monsters, randomly deciding what treasures monsters had, and casting spells.Almost...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by StormKnight The things being discussed are subjective. You may feel the game "did not do them well", yet I and others disagree. I don't know what you like about D&D.I know that the first two...

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by SJBenoist IMO, it's hard to convey.It's like trying to tell you why I prefer Vanilla Ice Cream over my other options. There isn't anything quantifiable I can point to.I do agree with you about most...

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by vestige StormKnight wrote:I know that the first two posters, when listing what they liked about Basic D&D, listed a bunch of things that are not provided by Basic D&D. They didn't list...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by E Decker StormKnight wrote:I know that the first two posters, when listing what they liked about Basic D&D, listed a bunch of things that are not provided by Basic D&D. They didn't list...

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by PghArch E Decker wrote:Many of these things were conveyed not by the rules, but by the modules.It was a different era. Most players were familiar with a goodly portion of the available modules, and...

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by cosine StormKnight wrote:These posters aren't talking about what the game game did for them, but what they turned the game into. None of which are incldued in the game.Isn't it?You know what I...

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by cosine StormKnight wrote:They didn't list anything that's actually in the Basic D&D rules.Sometimes what is not in the rules is just as important as what is.I'm just cranky about an overall...

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by cosine SJBenoist wrote:I'm sure it won't appeal to everyone, however.Nothing does.

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by aramis SJBenoist wrote:StormKnight wrote:Basic D&D had rules for whacking monsters with a stick/sword, randomly placing monsters, randomly deciding what treasures monsters had, and casting...

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by cloudboy cosine wrote:I'm just cranky about an overall inability to tell the difference in gaming between "this game is good" and "I had fun playing this game".Because there is no difference...

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by cosine cloudboy wrote:objectively badA bad craftsman with bad tools ruins everything.A good craftsman with a bad tool produces poor work.A bad craftsman with a good tool does the same.A good...

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by cloudboy cosine wrote:cloudboy wrote:objectively bad...So - are you certain you want to say it is all the craftsman? Or all the tools?I wouldn't want to say either. Objectively bad isn't a good...

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by aramis cloudboy wrote:As far as flexibility goes, you do have more mileage with D&D. But it's not obvious to me that newbies to the hobby should gravitate to BD&D over a game like Lady...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by StormKnight cosine wrote:I'm just cranky about an overall inability to tell the difference in gaming between "this game is good" and "I had fun playing this game".Because there is no difference...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by cloudboy aramis wrote:cloudboy wrote:As far as flexibility goes, you do have more mileage with D&D. But it's not obvious to me that newbies to the hobby should gravitate to BD&D over a game...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by Sam and Max You obviously played a different form of D&D than I did:a) Flexible rules meant plenty of arguments.b) Roleplaying = combat.OTOH, D&D was freakin' easy to play. Playing a role...

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by Dog Boy StormKnight wrote:cosine wrote:I'm just cranky about an overall inability to tell the difference in gaming between "this game is good" and "I had fun playing this game".Because there is no...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by StormKnight Multimillion dollar blockbuster doesn't equal an academy award winnersAcademy award winners doesn't equal multimillion dollar blockbuster.I didn't say those things were equal. Hence the...

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by cjbowser StormKnight wrote:But The Star Wars Holiday Special is not a good movie, no matter how much fun you had watching it.So... are you looking for a good game (however that might be defined) or...

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by E Decker StormKnight wrote:The wonderful thing Basic D&D did was say "Hey, instead of just running willy nilly with cops & robbers, let's make one person a referee and use some dice instead...

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by E Decker cloudboy wrote:But it's not obvious to me that newbies to the hobby should gravitate to BD&D over a game like Lady Blackbird.I don't think this was really the question, and I certainly...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by StormKnight cjbowser wrote:So... are you looking for a good game (however that might be defined) or a good time with your friends?I'm not looking for anything. :what:If I were looking for a game,...

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by cjbowser StormKnight wrote:I notice, Chad, that you have rated 165 different board games. Why did you bother if they are all fun with an enjoyable group of people in the right situation?Where did I...

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by E Decker StormKnight wrote:That alone is enough for me to consider D&D (lumping Basic, AD&D and OD&D into the same pot) the best role-playing game ever.The Ford Model T was a great...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by cloudboy E Decker wrote:cloudboy wrote:But it's not obvious to me that newbies to the hobby should gravitate to BD&D over a game like Lady Blackbird.I don't think this was really the question,...

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by cosine StormKnight wrote:If you get a few buddies, get a bit drunk, and have a great time watching a B movie so bad that you spend the entire time making MST3K style comments and don't hear a...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by cosine Sam and Max wrote:You obviously played a different form of D&D than I did:a) Flexible rules meant plenty of arguments.b) Roleplaying = combat.I guarantee I can take your favorite game,...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by cosine StormKnight wrote:But The Star Wars Holiday Special is not a good movie, no matter how much fun you had watching it.I can think of many situations in which this film would be a much better...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by aramis cosine wrote:But to suggest that the only thing to roll off the presses are clones of D&D is deeply misleading. And if most of what you see is a clone of D&D, I'd wager it has as...

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Reply: Game Masters:: Re: Why Run Basic D&D

by cosine cloudboy wrote:Ultimately, my point, which I'm sure people on this forum are acutely aware of, is that while BD&D is a fine game, it really appeals to one specific style of play.Yes......

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